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Saxon–Bohemian silver-thaler reckoning: research record

Evidence coverage: 1500–1520. This is the span of collected observations, not the currency’s lifetime.

This record includes associated currencies and earlier interpretations. The article selects the evidence relevant to its own history.

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Saxon–Bohemian silver-thaler reckoning

CUR-V49-SAXON-THALER · Research draft
One scoped currency identity. Changes to subdivisions, scale, standard, instruments or issuers do not by themselves create children. A distinct account unit can remain a successor.
Dated observations: 1500–1520; this does not establish the entire lifetime.

Parents / predecessors

Rhenish gold-gulden reckoningdocumented monetary transmission · qualified · 1500–1566
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Children / successors

Brandenburg-Prussian thalerdocumented monetary transmission · qualified · 1667–1750
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Swedish riksdaler speciedocumented monetary transmission · qualified · 1534
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Unit and issue records 1 records

Evidence within this identity, not separate currencies.

Silver-gulden and thaler reckoning · C2115

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Silver-gulden and thaler reckoning

Saxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.

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Account-unit observations

Dated evidence, not exact birth or extinction dates.

1500–1520qualified

Saxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.

C2115
Evidence & research notes 4 claims

Dated observations, not a proven complete lifespan.

Inference C2115

Saxon silver-gulden reckoning began with a 21-groschen equivalent of the gold gulden. Joachimsthal followed the Saxon standard; the later thaler tradition must be distinguished from regional accounts that diverged from its specie value.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Qualified C2124

The silver-gulden and thaler tradition grew from a deliberate gold-gulden value basis, through the Saxon and Joachimsthal standards. The regional account development is compressed here, not a sequence of separately invented coin currencies.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Qualified C2125

Earlier thaler reckoning continued into the Brandenburg-Prussian courant account, distinct from specie coin value. The 1750 reform coined the existing 24-groschen unit.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30; Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, Münzkabinett · Brandenburg-Preußen: Friedrich Wilhelm, 1679, object 18214596 Citation S1119 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30; Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Qualified C2129

Swedish silver-daler adoption in 1534 followed the Joachimsthaler monetary model, within the Saxon-Bohemian silver-thaler tradition. The four-mark Swedish daler account is excluded from this specie identity.

Rodney Edvinsson, Sveriges Riksbank · Swedish monetary standards in a historical perspective (2010) Citation S1117 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology; Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Von den Anfängen der Talerprägung bis zum Dreißigjährigen Krieg (foreword 1966) Citation S1112 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology; Printed pp. X–XII and XVI–XVII

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Supported C2121

Sweden introduced the silver daler in 1534 on the Joachimsthaler model. Its later riksdaler-specie history is distinct from the daler account fixed at four marks.

Rodney Edvinsson, Sveriges Riksbank · Swedish monetary standards in a historical perspective (2010) Citation S1117 · Open source ↗

Printed pp. 28, 50 and 53; silver daler, Joachimsthaler and later specie terminology

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Supported C2119

Brandenburg joined Saxony in the 1667 Zinna arrangements, applied throughout its mints from 1670. The 1750 Prussian thaler embodied the existing 24-groschen account rather than beginning a wholly new account unit.

Staatliche Museen zu Berlin, Münzkabinett · Brandenburg-Preußen: Friedrich Wilhelm, 1679, object 18214596 Citation S1119 · Open source ↗

Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

Deutsche Bundesbank · Deutsche Taler: Vom Dreißigjährigen Krieg bis zum Ende der Talerprägung (foreword 1967) Citation S1113 · Open source ↗

Object commentary on the 1667 Zinna agreement and Brandenburg implementation from 1670; Printed pp. XV and XXI–XXII; PDF pages 23 and 29–30

Source access and limitations

Not a complete origin, lifespan or current-status audit.

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